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	<title>Comments on: Status Report October 1st</title>
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	<description>Details and Log reports of the search for the lost WWII Submarine, USS Grunion</description>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 23:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to say IÂ´m not as well informed as you guys are about this particular class of submarines, but I would like to say what I can guess (and I stress "guess") from the pics:

1. Contrary to what I have posted before, clearly the conning tower hatch was deformed by hidrostatic pressure and not as a result of and explosive force within.
2. The portion of the hull around the messroom hatch is not imploded, which means that it was being flooded as the sub sunk.
3. Aft of this, the hull is imploded, so it was dry - pressure-tight bulkhead hatches closed.
4. In spite of having a portion of the aft hull flooded, the stern is intact, proving that the boat hit the bottom bow first, meaning that the greatest flood had happened there. Even if the hull rolled over the bottom, the stern doesnÂ´t appear to have hit it until it came to rest fully on it.
5. If an explosion had taken place in the forward torpedo room (circular running torpedo or, as someone else posted, the shell had hit the bow and not the conning tower due to the boatÂ´s angle when surfacing), could that section have been shorn off?
6. If that was the case, could the angle of impact against the bottom be so steep as to crush the remains of the forward hull inwards and the force of impact so great that the hull fractured near frame #99?

I believe that even if the messroom hatch had been opened by accident, it was not what sank Grunnion, the problem was in the torpedo room.

Again, this is only my guess, and I have seen much better informed opinions than mine here, thatÂ´s awesome (and a little intimidating, I must admit)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to say IÂ´m not as well informed as you guys are about this particular class of submarines, but I would like to say what I can guess (and I stress &#8220;guess&#8221;) from the pics:</p>
<p>1. Contrary to what I have posted before, clearly the conning tower hatch was deformed by hidrostatic pressure and not as a result of and explosive force within.<br />
2. The portion of the hull around the messroom hatch is not imploded, which means that it was being flooded as the sub sunk.<br />
3. Aft of this, the hull is imploded, so it was dry - pressure-tight bulkhead hatches closed.<br />
4. In spite of having a portion of the aft hull flooded, the stern is intact, proving that the boat hit the bottom bow first, meaning that the greatest flood had happened there. Even if the hull rolled over the bottom, the stern doesnÂ´t appear to have hit it until it came to rest fully on it.<br />
5. If an explosion had taken place in the forward torpedo room (circular running torpedo or, as someone else posted, the shell had hit the bow and not the conning tower due to the boatÂ´s angle when surfacing), could that section have been shorn off?<br />
6. If that was the case, could the angle of impact against the bottom be so steep as to crush the remains of the forward hull inwards and the force of impact so great that the hull fractured near frame #99?</p>
<p>I believe that even if the messroom hatch had been opened by accident, it was not what sank Grunnion, the problem was in the torpedo room.</p>
<p>Again, this is only my guess, and I have seen much better informed opinions than mine here, thatÂ´s awesome (and a little intimidating, I must admit)</p>
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		<title>By: David Decrevel</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Decrevel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 06:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In photo â€˜3rd sighting, port, bow to stern 10â€™, the break in the hull appears slightly aft of where the corresponding break is on the starboard side.  On this side the break is at the aft end of the bilge keel, which would put it at or near Frame #99, the location of the bulkhead between the After Engine Room and Maneuvering Room.  Be advised, that these locations are subject to error as Iâ€™m working from a small-scale blueprint of Gato SS-212 and a somewhat larger scale blueprint of Charr SS-328, and the scale of the photos is difficult to determine with accuracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In photo â€˜3rd sighting, port, bow to stern 10â€™, the break in the hull appears slightly aft of where the corresponding break is on the starboard side.  On this side the break is at the aft end of the bilge keel, which would put it at or near Frame #99, the location of the bulkhead between the After Engine Room and Maneuvering Room.  Be advised, that these locations are subject to error as Iâ€™m working from a small-scale blueprint of Gato SS-212 and a somewhat larger scale blueprint of Charr SS-328, and the scale of the photos is difficult to determine with accuracy.</p>
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		<title>By: David Decrevel</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Decrevel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 05:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On photo â€˜3rd sighting, starboard, stern to bow 29â€™ what appears to the flood openings for Main Ballast Tank #1 are visible.  (As of 10 January 1942 an alteration was authorized to remove all main ballast tank flood valves, but I do not know if this was done on Grunion.)  If these are in fact the flood openings, they would be located between Frame #25 and Frame #35, below and slightly aft of the location of the escape trunk, and approximately 10 to 14 feet forward of the after bulkhead of the Forward Torpedo Room.  The â€˜splitâ€™ of the bow at this location appears slightly uneven, being at or near Frame #24 on the port side, at or near Frame #22 or #23 on the starboard side.  The hard, mostly vertical edge immediately aft of the crumpled bow could be either the edge of MBT 1, or of the WRT.  This edge could possibly be at Frame #23 or Frame #24</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On photo â€˜3rd sighting, starboard, stern to bow 29â€™ what appears to the flood openings for Main Ballast Tank #1 are visible.  (As of 10 January 1942 an alteration was authorized to remove all main ballast tank flood valves, but I do not know if this was done on Grunion.)  If these are in fact the flood openings, they would be located between Frame #25 and Frame #35, below and slightly aft of the location of the escape trunk, and approximately 10 to 14 feet forward of the after bulkhead of the Forward Torpedo Room.  The â€˜splitâ€™ of the bow at this location appears slightly uneven, being at or near Frame #24 on the port side, at or near Frame #22 or #23 on the starboard side.  The hard, mostly vertical edge immediately aft of the crumpled bow could be either the edge of MBT 1, or of the WRT.  This edge could possibly be at Frame #23 or Frame #24</p>
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